Comments on: BioSLED – Handling Non-personhood Abortion Arguments http://www.thrufire.com/blog/2009/05/biosled-non-personhood-arguments/ Burning off the dross Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:18:11 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: BioSLED - best argument against abortion-choice | ThruFire http://www.thrufire.com/blog/2009/05/biosled-non-personhood-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-93 BioSLED - best argument against abortion-choice | ThruFire Wed, 20 May 2009 01:20:02 +0000 http://www.thrufire.com/blog/?p=1168#comment-93 [...] Refuting Non-Personhood Arguments - such arguments deny the intrinsic quality of human beings by falsely assuming (petitio principii) two components (body and person), instead of one. These are a play on Level of Development. Gently ask: “Would you be willing to forego the same destruction of your body that is performed on the unborn during an abortion, and if not - why?” They can’t prove their own personhood without referring to their own physical body, so gently question them until they do. We know scientifically from the moment of conception the pre-born also has a human body. We can’t establish tests for denying the rights of pre-born human beings that we, who also have human flesh and blood, are unwilling to take - that’s discrimination. Refuting this works best in-person, not over the Internet. [...] [...] Refuting Non-Personhood Arguments – such arguments deny the intrinsic quality of human beings by falsely assuming (petitio principii) two components (body and person), instead of one. These are a play on Level of Development. Gently ask: “Would you be willing to forego the same destruction of your body that is performed on the unborn during an abortion, and if not – why?” They can’t prove their own personhood without referring to their own physical body, so gently question them until they do. We know scientifically from the moment of conception the pre-born also has a human body. We can’t establish tests for denying the rights of pre-born human beings that we, who also have human flesh and blood, are unwilling to take – that’s discrimination. Refuting this works best in-person, not over the Internet. [...]

]]> By: Chris Arsenault http://www.thrufire.com/blog/2009/05/biosled-non-personhood-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-91 Chris Arsenault Tue, 19 May 2009 12:13:35 +0000 http://www.thrufire.com/blog/?p=1168#comment-91 Okay - checking out a new spam filter plugin here. Okay – checking out a new spam filter plugin here.

]]> By: angel http://www.thrufire.com/blog/2009/05/biosled-non-personhood-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-89 angel Mon, 18 May 2009 02:28:42 +0000 http://www.thrufire.com/blog/?p=1168#comment-89 <a href="#comment-74" rel="nofollow">@Milehimama</a> Except that Human Abstract did just this on Jill's blog! @Milehimama
Except that Human Abstract did just this on Jill’s blog!

]]> By: Chris Arsenault http://www.thrufire.com/blog/2009/05/biosled-non-personhood-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-75 Chris Arsenault Wed, 13 May 2009 21:15:36 +0000 http://www.thrufire.com/blog/?p=1168#comment-75 In numerous on-line debates, others say that since a fetus (embryo actually) doesn't have sentience they aren't a person. One guy actually tried using the Uniform Determination of Death Act to declare the pre-born weren't persons. The usual argument is that they will become persons (Level of Development) but aren't persons yet. Do you think I need more examples to make that clear? In numerous on-line debates, others say that since a fetus (embryo actually) doesn’t have sentience they aren’t a person. One guy actually tried using the Uniform Determination of Death Act to declare the pre-born weren’t persons. The usual argument is that they will become persons (Level of Development) but aren’t persons yet.

Do you think I need more examples to make that clear?

]]> By: Milehimama http://www.thrufire.com/blog/2009/05/biosled-non-personhood-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-74 Milehimama Wed, 13 May 2009 19:31:03 +0000 http://www.thrufire.com/blog/?p=1168#comment-74 Interestingly, most would NOT argue that one ceases to be a person when they cease to be self-aware (in a coma, under anesthesia, or even sleeping.) Interestingly, most would NOT argue that one ceases to be a person when they cease to be self-aware (in a coma, under anesthesia, or even sleeping.)

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