{"id":1604,"date":"2010-03-13T12:14:32","date_gmt":"2010-03-13T16:14:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/?p=1604"},"modified":"2013-12-21T21:13:59","modified_gmt":"2013-12-22T01:13:59","slug":"biosled-bodily-autonomy-abortion-absurdity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/2010\/03\/biosled-bodily-autonomy-abortion-absurdity\/","title":{"rendered":"BioSLED &#8211; Bodily-autonomy Abortion Absurdity"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><i>How to apply <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/2009\/02\/biosled-anti-abortion-argument\/\" target=\"_blank\">BioSLED &#8211; the best argument against abortion-choice<\/a> against those who insist a mother&#8217;s &ldquo;right to bodily autonomy&rdquo; justifies abortion. This is a brief, rapid response while the original response to this argument can be found <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/2009\/05\/biosled-handling-bodily-autonomy-abortion-arguments\/\" target=\"_blank\">here.<\/a><br \/>\n<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Over the last few years I&#8217;ve run into an increasing number of very hard core abortion supporters who make statements like this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p> Not that whether or not a fetus is a child should matter to the debate. Child or not, no one has the right to use a person&#8217;s body against his or her consent.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and from another:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Human beings may not occupy another human body unless they are welcome there.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This is a variant of Judith Jarvis Thomson&#8217;s violinist argument supported by Eileen McDonagh, David Boonin et al.  <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/trimobius-knot.jpg\" alt=\"Tri-mobius knot\" class=\"alignleft\" \/><\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s an absolute absurdity in circular reasoning. Do they really expect the embryonic human being to change their own environment\/development process?<\/p>\n<p>By rejecting developmental differences of human beings, one stage of human development is equated with every other. &ldquo;Being a child <em>doesn&#8217;t<\/em> matter&rdquo;, thus they assume a pro-life premise: all humans are &ldquo;equal&rdquo;. Time doesn&#8217;t matter.<\/p>\n<p>Yet, they reject the child&#8217;s critical development time within the womb &#8211; that&#8217;s the reason for the abortion! So time within that environment <em>does<\/em> matter to them.<\/p>\n<p>You can&#8217;t avoid the absurd contradiction.  Either time as a child present within the environment of the mother&#8217;s womb matters or it does not.<\/p>\n<p>Thomson, McDonagh, Boonan, et al. obfuscate this critical premise. <\/p>\n<p>If this issue was irrelevant to the abortion argument, both humans would have the same legal &ldquo;rights&rdquo;. So, if mother and daughter swapped places (putting the mother into her daughter&#8217;s womb), then the daughter would have the &ldquo;legal right&rdquo; to abort her mother. (?!)<\/p>\n<p>If you say no she doesn&#8217;t have the right to abort her, you&#8217;ve just contradicted yourself, because there&#8217;s one body within the other. If you say yes she can, you&#8217;ve also contradicted yourself because you&#8217;ve now upheld the bodily autonomy of the daughter.  What&#8217;s it gonna be?<\/p>\n<p>If you claim the mother daughter swapping places is absurd and could not happen &#8211; then you&#8217;re validating that the mother-child relationship is unique and cannot be compared to non-parent relationships.  In fact, to reduce the parent relationship to one of simple physical dependency is to eliminate the most essential aspect  of the relationship! <\/p>\n<p>So claiming abortion is justified by bodily autonomy is an argument that commits suicide via absurd circular reasoning.<\/p>\n<p>You can&#8217;t escape the reality of the sequential, biological and ever growing basis of life.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If time is irrelevant to the abortion argument, both humans would have the same rights. So if mother and daughter swapped places (putting the mother into her daughter&#8217;s womb), then the daughter would have the right to abort her mother. (?!) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/2010\/03\/biosled-bodily-autonomy-abortion-absurdity\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[230],"tags":[9,199,274,106],"class_list":["post-1604","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-human-rights","tag-abortion","tag-biosled","tag-bodily-autonomy","tag-debate"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1604","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1604"}],"version-history":[{"count":23,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1604\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1930,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1604\/revisions\/1930"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1604"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1604"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1604"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}