{"id":27,"date":"2008-03-08T09:58:00","date_gmt":"2008-03-08T14:58:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/2008\/03\/08\/controlled-burnrelatively-speaking\/"},"modified":"2013-11-20T17:20:18","modified_gmt":"2013-11-20T21:20:18","slug":"controlled-burnrelatively-speaking","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/2008\/03\/controlled-burnrelatively-speaking\/","title":{"rendered":"Controlled Burn:Relatively speaking"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>When it comes to certain objective behavior, it&#8217;s nearly impossible to read a comment thread on the Web without running into this kind of exchange:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>moralist: I believe (objBehavior) is wrong because I&#8217;ve been harmed by (objBehavior).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>amoralist: I&#8217;ll defend your right to say (objBehavior) is wrong, but saying (objBehavior) applies to everyone is wrong.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What is the amoralist actually saying?<\/p>\n<p>First, the amoralist acknowledges that: the moralist is asserting that (objBehavior) is harmful in all cases and is therefore immoral.<\/p>\n<p>Then the amoralist asserts that: (objBehavior) is not harmful in all cases so the objBehavior is therefore moral.<\/p>\n<p>Can you spot the problem?<\/p>\n<p>The amoralist must be omniscient &#8211; all knowing &#8211; because he&#8217;s trying to prove the negative: no harm in all cases.  (The negative, a universal meaning void, zip, zero, nada, nothing.)<\/p>\n<p>And &#8211; as if trying to prove the negative wasn&#8217;t strong enough, the amoralist has actually declared he knows about universals by using the qualifying phrase &#8220;applies to everyone&#8221; &#8211; which means all humans and every occurrence of this (objBehavior).<\/p>\n<p>Clarify the amoralist assertion like this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You&#8217;re telling me there are one or more cases where (objBehavior) is not  harmful.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Chances are he&#8217;ll confirm he&#8217;s trying to prove the negative. So when you run into one of these situations you could tell him &#8220;If I understand you correctly, you&#8217;ve got nothing to prove&#8230;quite literally.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The amoralist has encountered an insurmountable problem: he is at odds with objective reality and universal logic.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Warning: Deep thinking ahead!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Moral behavior is not subjective, like opinions. Morality is objectively, universally applicable, because humans are objective. We visibly exist and we are all subject to both good and evil.<\/p>\n<p>Logically, good cannot be evil, there are no other values in between, so what is asserted as a vice cannot be a virtue.  Virtue and vice are not interchangeable &#8211; that would be nonsense, akin to saying the light is both on and off at the same time. They would negate each other and become meaningless.<\/p>\n<p>Either objective behavior is good for everyone or it&#8217;s harmful for everyone. Put another way, if an objective behavior harms one person, it harms all others if they engage in it.  That&#8217;s a moral statement.<\/p>\n<p>The only way an objective behavior can be proven morally harmless is if <span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">no one<\/span> is ever harmed; <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">not doing so rejects those who&#8217;ve been harmed as persons.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Since the amoralist is defending the moralist&#8217;s right to say he was harmed, he&#8217;s acknowledging the moralist as a person, and since he cannot prove the negative on that objective behavior, the only way for the amoralist to believe he&#8217;s correct about such moral relativity is to simply assume he&#8217;s correct about morals being relative.<\/p>\n<p>The statement begs the question.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When it comes to certain objective behavior, it&#8217;s nearly impossible to read a comment thread on the Web without running into this kind of exchange: moralist: I believe (objBehavior) is wrong because I&#8217;ve been harmed by (objBehavior). amoralist: I&#8217;ll defend &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/2008\/03\/controlled-burnrelatively-speaking\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[194],"tags":[14],"class_list":["post-27","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-perspective","tag-moral-relativity"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=27"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1797,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27\/revisions\/1797"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=27"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=27"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.thrufire.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=27"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}